If not anything else, last night’s results seem to portend that Ron DeSantis will wind up as the frontrunner for the GOP nomination in 2024.
His neutering of Charlie Crist in Florida - where he won the vote for governor by nearly 20%, including in traditionally heavily Democratic areas like Miami-Dade county - all but assures that he would give the GOP the best chance to win the state in 2024.
If the RNC was ever looking for their cue to move past Trump with a more centrist candidate with better appeal to independents and swing states, DeSantis may be it - especially because some Trump-backed candidates didn’t do as well as many thought they would in last night’s election.
The NY Times wrote this morning: “…the script has been written, the stage prepared: Now we’ll see whether the governor of Florida can play the part that’s waiting for him.”
"Between being Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis tonight, you want to be Ron DeSantis," Mick Mulvaney said last night.
What are your thoughts?
Does last night make DeSantis the GOP frontrunner, or does Trump still have a chance?
Did the election go as you predicted last night?
What will the effects of a split congress be?
Is there any chance the GOP can pull out the Senate?
Leave your comments below.
Trump needs to do the right thing for the party and stand aside....period.
If Republicans want to win in 2024, then they had better make DeSantis the front runner: he showed that he can win with traditionally Democratic constituencies and he has governed effectively.
Trump’s biggest disadvantage is all of his baggage. A large percentage of the population actively hates the guy, which is a huge burden to start with in trying to carry a national election. He also has zero discipline, which makes it tough for him on the campaign trail and even tougher in terms of effective governance. We also know that Trump voters aren’t going to run away and go vote for Democrats if DeSantis gets the nomination, so there’s zero reason to run Trump.
I am a huge Trump supporter but he just can't keep his mouth shut. DeSantis is going to be a very strong contender and he will have my support.
A DeSantis/Gabbard ticket would be awesome!
If we stick with Trump we will get more Biden's, Trudeau's, Arden's, Klaus Swchab's and the like, as the ridiculous opposites, a continuation of the clown show we have had for over a decade now.
The world needs dynamic freedom loving leaders that can implement policy that support the working and middle class. De Santis is one of those leaders and Trump should put his full support behind him.
Trump had his chances for change and stopped at 50%
Agreed. DeSantis is the clear choice.
Demographics is destiny...Trump's base is literally dying everyday.
Agree that it is time for him to move aside.
It doesn’t matter who the candidate is until they bring back election integrity.
Lost respect for the state of PA voters. They vote in a communist loser who can't complete a coherent sentence into the USA senate. Kind of thing that makes a person lose faith in the nation.
The wild card remains in my mind - Can Trump actually bring himself to bow out? I don't believe DeSantis could pull off a head-to-head primary victory, so the turbulence of even a Trump announcement (maybe coming as soon as next week) will send the left into a complete tailspin overshadowing the momentum Desantis has built in FL.
It's a tough climate and if judged on his record and accomplishments as a former president alone, I cannot see how Trump would not sail to victory over whatever retread the left can drum up. This is of course impossible as we have witnessed through the many lunatic led and more recently government supported shenanigans against him and his personal livelihood.
The ultimate prize in my opinion is a total shift away from our current toxic atmosphere. So, I remain steadfast behind whoever can pull us out of our impending financial, cultural, and continuously propped up divisive current stature. Left, Right (joking) or Libritarian. Think smaller govt., think happier humans, think Freedom.
Trump is pushing 80, he needs to step aside
Desantis is a far better candidate. He also would not have been complicit in rushing out untested experimental vaccines that mow down young people so that terrified geriatrics feel better. Trump is done.
Make a deal. RD promise to pardon Trump if elected and Trump fully supports RD.
Liked Trump- we needed Trump, but time to move on.
The neocon RINO crowd is already getting behind DeSantis financially. I would take Trump over DeSantis any day.
The real question is would a Trump loss be better than a DeSantis win? It depends on what the RINO uniparty would let DeSantis do to fix our country. We don't need another Bush, we need real change.
Its kind of cute that people think voting still matters. You know what really matters? That power plants are being turned off, and refineries going off line PERMANENTLY, and being replaced with windmills and solar panels that CANT replace the same baseload.
2024: VOTE ROLLING BLACKOUTS
We earn it
Some excellent comments here. As a market research professional, I would have to say that DeSantis' image and presentation is far easier to work with than that of Trump. To my knowledge, DeSantis isn't a billionaire, he has military experience, has served in Congress, and has achieved positive goals for residents of Florida. These are qualities I believe will resonate on the national stage. Especially if he picks a strong running mate (my choice is Kristi Noem).
First of all, it’s quite ironic you used the verb “neutered”. Secondly, it’s time for Trump to exit stage left. Some of the mess we find ourselves in over the past two years is directly due to Trump’s actions after he lost the 2020 election. Despite his obvious disappointment he should’ve taken the highroad and campaigned for the two Georgia runoff Senate seats. By choosing not to and instead telling Republican voters to stay home because their votes would not be counted he handed the Senate to the Democrats. This election Trump’s meddling cost Republicans a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, a Senate seat in Arizona, and possibly a Senate seat in Georgia next month.
The main reason why people voted for the Democratic party was because they thought that the alternative was worst. It’s almost imposible for an incumbent party, to do well in this economic environment, however, the Dems avoided disaster and that should be considered like a triumph. Even if they end up loosing the House. The GOP will have to moderate itself to be a competitive option in 2024. De Santis looks like the best option today, but will not be easy to beat Trump in the primaries.
I don’t know how you can look at the election results (and the malfeasance on open display in multiple states, especially AZ) and not conclude that the steal was on again.
Many of the "results" we've seen last night do not reflect the will of the voters. While believe we overcame a lot of the illegal ballot harvesting in a lot of areas across the US there still remains a significant force to take advantage of far outdated voter roles and lax care of our ballots. New York, Pennsylvania and Michigan to name a few were stolen last night right out from beneath our noses.
To be operating unde the pervasive mantra that "we have to outvote the algorithm" is a not such sly reminder of our wide spread corrupted voting system.
We made good headway last ight. Yes, Florida and Oklahoma showed us how a clean election can be and should be run (stil more to do). The dumpster fire that is the Arizona voting process showed us how far we have to go.
Lake will win.
Actually count is a huge landside for Kari although "offica count" will be far less.
She was the absolute best political candidate possible while Dems invested in the worst possible political candidate possible--Katie Hobbs-- who is in charge of her own election race for highest office in Arizona. File that under hiring the fox to count the eggs in te hen house. Friggin amazing.
Loved Trumps policies - however he is an ass hole. And people today have very thin skin.
What I have seen from Ron D. has been impressive.
We have a lot of fiscal problems that need to be navigated to avoid complete collapse - we are not going to be able to avoid some issues - just need to avoid the end of our country.
DeSantis is the frontrunner, hands down. Election went exactly as I expected - in Florida where DeSantis is the face of the GOP. GOP could gain Senate if Trump got off his pile of campaign cash and spent a few bucks of it on his hand-picked candidate in GA. He won't though. Hasn't spent a dime there.
The situation may be very different in a year, due to the economic problems piling up. Trying to predict now is like building on sand.
I expected a shellacking by the GOP. Boy was I wrong.
Here in Illinois the voters even passed a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT that enshrined absolute public union rights over any laws that lawmakers could even pass. The public unions (mainly teachers) knew that the day is coming when pensions can no longer be afforded. So they preempted lawmakers to do anything about it but continue to raise taxes and pay the bills forever.
The fact that almost 60% of Illinois voters approved this just stuns me. These people are literally voting to take their own legislative power away and give the public unions supreme rights over the land.
And then for what happened in the rest of the country, given the economic mess we are in, the pervasive crime-- I am just stunned.
So my feeling now is that the Democrats will give it to us "gooder and harder." I guess that's what the majority of voters want.
If we want to see change, we ought to stop supporting the two party system that got us here.
Chris, I really thought this was going to be a massive red wave. As it looks now(and we still have a bunch of undecided races) this is a red puddle. With the the worst inflation in 40yrs, crime and gun violence going crazy post pandemic, oil prices high due to Saudi’s, Russia trying to destroy Ukraine….. I genuinely thought Republicans would wipe the floor in this election. If Republicans couldn’t romp this in then I would be very worried about their standing with Americans as they are tired of Trump, tired of election deniers like some of the comments written here and a platform with no policies except grievances and vilifying minority groups and women’s rights.
The best thing that could happen is if Scott replaces McConnell as Senate leader and then Republicans cut Social Security. All those liberals getting SS will be so pissed. We know Scott is a real smart guy and he has the beat of what voters want. Cut Social Security…. Republicans voters will love that, right?
Remember elections are only fair if REPUBLICANS WIN EVERY TIME! If Democrats win then it is ALWAYS rigged.
Trumps unfavorability ratings were terrible in 2020 and remain terrible. Thats why he lost in 2020 and would lose again in 2024. I freely admit that i would not have voted for Trump ever under any circumstances. If the Republican party can change the focus from crazy to conservative then DeSantis could win as could other Republicans that are focused on what they can do for America rather than tearing down a great country.
We match the paper ballots (OCR ballots) against the number of voters who have voted in person that day. We have procedures for tallying up all ballots to account for mistakes, wrong precinct, unused, etc., then match that against the number of blank ballots we start the day with. Everything is counted and verified by two people, and signed off on by the chief election judge for the precinct, as well as two additional election judges. Observers rarely show up, and if they do, they don’t stick around to the bitter end - the day starts at 6 am, and by the time everything is cleaned up, locked, tallied, and the ballots are delivered, it’s usually 9 pm-ish. The only ballot transportation checkpoint is that we have to call our coordinator at the county as we leave the polling place, and if we aren’t downtown dropping the locked bins with the results within a specified time, they’ll start calling/checking our whereabouts.
I haven’t seen any evidence one way or the other that we have open review in this state, so I can’t really offer any intel there. All I know is that if any fraud is happening, it’s downstream of the polling place. (Think it was Lenin or Stalin who said “It doesn’t matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes”…quite true)
As far as taking a week to count votes (PA, AZ), it looks awfully suspicious. In my humble opinion, if places like Brazil can count all the votes in a few hours, there’s no excuse in the U.S., other than gross incompetence or outright fraud…both equally likely in PA (lived there 20+ yrs).
Senate is gone, DeSantis will not run because of Trump's BS he doesn't need. I predict Trump will run again, lose again and in 4 years when the country has totally gone down the toilet he will run.
Big Ron needs to term out as Governor. He also needs to think hard about the company he keeps. An endorsement from Rachel Maddow and the human scum that make up the GOPe isn't going to win him any accolades, no matter how he tries to market it. The memes are already building up against him. Take your time, stay in Florida, look towards 2032. Shake off some of that !Jeb! energy you keep around you - it might play well with the AIPAC jet set, but it's not going to play well anywhere else.
The people that NEED to step down are Cocaine Mitch and McCarthy. They're worse than useless. Mitch spent more money wrecking other Republicans than he did promoting them, and he absolutely needs to be punished for his contempt for his constituency, to say nothing of his party.
2024 is Trump's nomination, whether the people in this forum like it or not. Man's got his flaws and I don't love what he's been doing over the past few days, but he's also justifiably tired of working for a party that does nothing but betray him every step of the way, to say NOTHING of how little the party does for the rest of us as a whole. He's not going to step down, and he's not going to step aside, and if these shenanigans keep up, you can expect a 3rd party run that will all but guarantee the GOP decisively losing elections for the foreseeable future
Nobody packs a stadium to hear what Cocaine Mitch has to say about anything.
The best analysis is by Sundance. The media and poltical establiment that enables them are trying to diminishes Trump and the MAGA movement. They fear the movement. DeSantis is owned, Trump is not.
Thoughtful opinion piece in the WSJ today by Daniel Henninger stating that Trump is unelectable,
Trump is the MAGA King. DeSantis is governor of Florida because of Trump. The establishment of both parties do not want Trump as the nominee so they are doing everything, along with the media, to promote DeSantis.
Trump was in Miami rallying the troops for all the Florida R candidates, including the noticably absent DeSantis.
A big fat no! DeSantis is my governor, but he will get no support from me if he runs against Trump. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell support? All I need to know. Swamp draining is the goal. DeSantis doesn't cut it.
The best scenario for our country is a Ron DeSantis ticket, with Trump supporting him both politically and in an advisory position. DeSantis is younger, respects Trump, has a proven record of working with people, and a proven record of bringing people together without the divisiveness.
This is clearly the best path, but will never happen because of Narcissistic Trump who lately is trying to cut DeSantis down. He simply can't stand seeing his success. WTF.
People that want Trump for president think he is the man to bring Washington to its knees. What they don't understand is that how he does it will result in civil war. A large portion of the population HATES Donald Trump. The reasons are obvious. Look how he treats DeSantis, mostly just because he won't bow to Trump.
I'd pick the smaller rudder to turn the ship around. I'd pick DeSantis.
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Am I surprised by the vote result? No, I am not. Do I believe the vote results are totally honest? No I do not. Do I believe it makes much difference whether one party of another is in the so-called power position? No! I believe the world is run by the central banks, working together to own and control it all being the lender and buyer of last resort always.
Do I believe De Santis looks better than Donald Trump. Without any doubt. Trump had everything in his first two years and what did he accomplish? He selected almost all CFR members to lead every important post in his administration. He did nothing at all to "drain the swamp". I was a wild supported of Trump in 2016, but he bitterly disappointed me.
I do not believe DeSantis is not a swamp creature. DeSantis is younger and he definitely does not alienate people like Trump does. Can he withstand the extreme attacks from the Demon Rats when he runs for President? That remains to be seen. The Demon Rats will play any dirty trick.
This is overblown. The GOP leadership, not Trump, is responsible for any underperformance. They clearly want to push Trump away but Trump's base is too strong. They did it to the Tea Party and they are trying to do it again. Hell they undermined Trump while he was President and ever since. Nothing against DeSantis, he might make a great Prez someday - but he is being financed and managed by GOPe and the enthusiastic Trump base won't come out for him like they do for Trump especially if he sells himself out. I don't know what's best or if either or both Trump and RDS will or won't run, but this is a GOPe influence operation that the media is all but too happy to amplify. It is dumb. Make no mistake, McConnell and company are too blame. Mitch is all to happy to be "Leader" of the Minority and go along with all the spending grifts the Democrats orchestrate. He would rather lose now if it means they can get rid of Trump as some are braying for today. As for the Senate, NV and even AZ are still in play, and if they win one of those, Mitch better get his ass fully in gear behind Herschel in the GA runoff (unlike his pathetic GA effort in 2020 runoff). They can still wind up w/ 51 in the Senate if they can thread the needle - despite Mitch and the GOP.
Alberta has elected a Premier who has told the WEF and Trudeau to take a hike. She is saying the unvaccinated are the most persecuted people in the world and is firing all the WEF people on the Health Boards. She is cancelling all the CO2 mandates for the oil and gas industry in Alberta. If she can survive the next 2 years , Desantis should have no trouble as well with the WEF and the WHO and all the vaccine pushers.
Anyone under retirement age would be a good start.
Gotta ask yourself why the media has been propping up DeSantis so much recently... The powers that be do not see him as a threat
I'm hoping, albeit with little faith, that Trumps announcement on the 15th will be an announcement that he isn't running and potentially backs DeSantis. I give it a 1% chance, but I'm saying there's a chance...
DeSantis will not pull the crowds at rallies that Trump does, but he has an excellent record of policy decisions in Florida and is more tactful in where he engages publicly. My opinion is that DeSantis is the best shot for the GOP if for no other reason is that Democrats hate Trump so much that if he is the nominee there will be huge numbers just to vote against him.
The split congress gridlocks the government, and the less they do the better. The Republicans need to stay more on message and find a way to connect to voters. The call of the Democrat party is to appeal to them personally by government taking care of them in some way which is a seductive call to individuals looking to keep up/get ahead. Republicans need to find a way to show the flaws with these policies and get voters believing they will actually enact good policy that is in their best interest.
I am a MAGA republican. Realistically with OZ loosing to a less than able candidate, means Trump will be at a huge disadvantage, IMHO. I think, as much as I like him (Trump), we may have to move past him. I live in Florida and do not want to loose our governor because he has been great for us, however, I think I would support him over Trump as it stands now.
As a Florida citizen I like Ron Desantis, but I'm not so sure his success in Florida would carry over into the key battleground states (PA/GA/WI/AZ/MI/NV) any better than Trump. With the pandemic he was able to recruit people to move to Florida from up north that he naturally appealed to and would vote for him. Regardless, Desantis might be the best hope for the GOP.
Competition on the ballot is critical to keeping people in check. The duopoly has created this mess.
Trump is compromised; he and his family are threatened with prosecution, he has no choice but to continue to be a spoiler. Mass media will continue to highlight him so he can divide and conquer. It seems obvious.
While I strongly support Trump’s policies his “mean tweets” undermined his appeal. My fear, too strong to no longer be a Trump supporter, is that DeSantis will be captured by the big donors class and move away from Trump’s policies to strengthen the middle class. Just look who are DeSantis donors……..Club for Growth and a list of gloabalists.
The mail in ballots and machines need to be done away with. Once again, too much opportunity for mischievous behavior by those scouts ting the votes. Look at AZ, PA, NV and GA.
In the meantime, get ready for the massive crash that is already baked into the cake.