China Using Domestic Covid Policy To Prepare For War With The U.S.: George Gammon
George talks about this, and several other potential looming black swans he sees for global markets.
Last week I had the immense pleasure of interviewing my good buddy George Gammon from Rebel Capitalist.
George is one of my favorite economic commentators and has been a friend of mine, and my podcast, for years. I often describe his podcast as similar to mine, just more well thought out, more educational and more useful with less dick and fart jokes.
Here’s George doing something baller in some foreign city I’m sure I’ve never been to:
Anyways, on our most recent podcast, we discussed:
What inflation numbers will look like at the end of the year, and why George thinks CPI numbers will hit a lull
George’s favorite indicator for measuring whether we’re in a recession and whether or not the Fed is going to reverse course “within weeks”
Black swan events George is watching that could hurt the markets, other than rising rates
China’s Covid policy and what alternate reasoning there may be for it, other than Covid
China and Russia posturing up together
Energy shortages and food shortages
Whether we are truly on the fringe of a massive earthquake geopolitically and economically
The dollar going up and what it means
Covid policy in the U.S. and getting ahead of the “narrative” when new uncomfortable situations take hold domestically
First we talked about where George thought inflation was heading. Surprisingly, he said lower - before moving higher.
“I rarely make predictions, but I did make one prediction: inflation would go down slightly as measured by CPI in Q3 or Q4,” George told me. “Most likely it probably goes back up [after falling to 6% or 7%].”
“I saw the things that created the inflation in the first place, now the question is how they do that. I don’t know if the supply chains will get better anytime soon,” he continued. “But they did stop the stimmy checks.”
From there we moved on to talk about his favorite indicator for recessions.
“That’s usually the indicator that you’re currently in a recession. Though I think we’re already in one as a result of two negative quarters of GDP growth,” he says, talking about his favorite metric.
We talked about how the current state of the global economy and geopolitics may have us on the precipice of things changing meaningfully, relatively permanently:
We also talked about the tensions between China, Taiwan and the United States.
“As far as black swans, I’m looking at the issue of China and Taiwan. What Nancy Pelosi did was one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen a politician do,” George says.
“If you look at it through the lens of the Chinese, you can see historically why they are doing it,” George says. “I can’t imagine that Pelosi or Biden would do something for the long-term benefit of the Untied States, they’re just doing whatever is politically expedient.”
George also thinks China is using Covid policy to prepare the country for war, something I started a discussion on earlier this month: “China’s policy on Covid is another head scratcher. The only conclusion I can come to is they’re trying to prepare their society for using far fewer resources in the future because they know there’s a good probability they will go to war with the United States.”
“Looking at China’s history, it would make sense that that’s an edge they think they have: they have benevolent dictator so they can make long-term decisions, central thinking and a plan for the whole country, their ability to just have patience.”
“They look at the U.S. and say ‘its just collapsing internally’,” George argues.
“Another black swan is the dollar going up,” George says. “This creates a massive amount of economic pressure on countries outside the U.S. In a global economy, there’s a lot of systemic risk. I don’t know what the number is - 120, 130, 140 - but at some point, its going the be the United States’ problem. It’s going up because of all of this uncertainty and interest rates. The bond market is saying the Fed will raise for another 6 months or a year. So we’ve got another year of the dollar going up?"
“You have this combined with all these powder keg situations geopolitically,” George says.
“I think we’ll wind up in a Plaza Accord 2.0. I think the black swan could be that they miscalculate,” he says. “Remember when Roosevelt messed with the price of gold?”
Finally we discuss some of my recent findings on Covid, including a new preprint study talking about how boosters aren’t ethically justifiable in younger adults:
And a recent thread by Dr. Richard Ebright, PhD, from Rutgers, explaining why he thinks the “lab leak” theory holds water:
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I like George perspective on the US and thoughts on it being a derivative of asset bubble. I wish he talked more specifics on structural vs cyclical inflation? He’s vague and mentions % but there is nothing really tradeable here on how he thinks inflation plays out. Where’s the reasoning and specifics on why he believes inflation comes down then another wave comes?
Black swan event: how is he positioned to hedge this? Which black swan is more likely based on his research? The food or energy? Very interesting he doesn’t think it’ll be financial black swan (which I think is obvious and likely given all the debt and leverage in the system).
Agree with you that we haven’t seen the economic impact of the rate hikes and tighter liquidity environment but it’s needed to weed out ZIRP zombie companies and losers that depend too much on cheap money and ample liquidity.
Don’t agree with George that Fed will pause or pivot, they made themselves clear they will keep rates for longer. This is no longer Arthur Burns Powell but Volcker Powell and Volcker specifically said a big lesson from the 1970s and 1980s inflation is to keep rates higher for longer and not pivot too soon. Because of the pivot Volcker had to keep tight monetary policy for over a decade to crush inflation and specifically inflation expectations.
Fed won’t reverse course, they want a slowdown. They will reverse course if something breaks or “inflation sucks but what sucks more is losing my job!”—that is what I’m going to position for them go levered long once such a pivot happens but it will take a long while to a point unemployment gets too high.
Regarding Pelosi, this is where I won’t like this whole ultra partisan view. Republicans have been visiting Taiwan before Pelosi btw. Bush started strong foreign policy against China, he was the first President to outright say US will come to Taiwan’s 🇹🇼 help militarily. And Pelosi doesn’t answer to Biden as she’s a co-equal branch of government so that’s why Biden didn’t tell her what to do and many Republicans including Mitch supported her visit to Taiwan. Taiwan isn’t investing into the military , and the US is telling them to. China is the one aggressing more if you simply analyze the facts and number of military movements and incursions on Taiwan.
I suggest people study more foreign policy if they don’t understand it as George mentions he doesn’t understand or see the reasoning for Taiwan visit. It’s a strategic priority and Taiwan was designated a major NATO ally. There is a lot of foreign policy history here and we need to be united against China as Republicans and Democrats have been, please don’t be partisan here and just criticize the “left” without seeing how many Republicans have angered China visiting Taiwan before the Pelosi trip. And China hates Pelosi because she went to Tiananmen Square and held up a banner for democracy 🤣
Anyway, nice to hear different perspectives but China doesn’t want war right now. But I do like Dalio’s book and read a lot of his and Bridgewater’s works. Regarding the central planning and thinking, yes Chinese see that as a positive and do prioritize the collective as societal harmony is a big cultural aspect of China (I’ve lived and worked there across multiple cities). I’ll never forget when my Shanghai gf said America’s two party system is not good for long term planning because you guys keep fighting each other instead of solving societal problems. Interesting perspective.
Is that why Desantis pulled that migrant stunt wasting Florida taxpayer money? He is bringing attention to the problem instead of bringing attention to a solution and rally ppl behind the solution vs the problem? Why are we so fixated on problems and infighting instead of working together to actually solve America’s problems?
Partisanship is getting worst and very bad for America, it’s a big reason we are a declining nation as Dalio points out in his book. So yes a civil war could happen in the future.
Thanks for the link to the podcast. I haven't read your post yet, I just looked for the link first! I will both read your post and watch the podcast later. I'm really curious about what happened with the mayo!?!
I am a BIG George Gammon fan. I've learned a lot by watching his youtube videos.
I'm also your big fan too, but yes, I do appreciate less (*#$* language!