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erik bjorseth's avatar

This one may be a lot of worse than previous recessions too. 2008 was housing - but people had an asset behind their debt.

2023 and 2024 - we have had a decade + of inflation in 2 years. Credit card debt is the highest in history - average rate of 23%. The credit card debt does not have an asset behind it - mostly because it was spent on food or a trip.

When this recession hits - the bubble that bursts will be people’s personal credit as they just try to maintain their lifestyle of the past decade. Wages did not keep up with cost of living and interest rates of 20%+

The government or fed will not be able to “rescue” the general public like they did for banks in 2008 - mostly because our government is broke too.

The housing market is going to come to a complete stop - people will do whatever they can stay in their homes with 3% mortgages and the cost of new construction with 8% mortgages - houses will sit empty.

The stock market appears to be leveraged to moon with valuations it is trading at. Feel that we have a 1987 moment coming when we have a down 25% week.

Well lots of random thoughts from me. Just do not see any positive angles for the economy at the moment

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Macro Strat Chris's avatar

There is too much much emphasis on curve inversions. Yes, I use them within a multifaceted analysis. They are useful, but you shouldn't make it your "tried and true" recession indicator.

1. Obviously, there are other economic factors and dynamics going on as the curve inverts or steepens. The curve is a reflection of that.

2. Typically, a recession occurs after the 10y/3m curve inverts between 12 and 18.

3. The mean time between inversion and recession is 15 months. The shortest time between the two is 9 months, with the longest being up to 24 months.

4 What you do between that time is fucking crucial, and you'll like will have to adapt to changing dynamics.

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