The big headline over the weekend in GOP-land was former President Donald Trump taking a swipe at Florida governor Ron DeSantis at a rally.
It has already been widely reported that Trump will likely announce his candidacy for President for 2024 and DeSantis likely checks in as his only serious competition.
Thus, just days before mid-terms, we get Trump taking a swipe at DeSantis at a rally in Pennsylvania, stating: "We’re winning big in the Republican Party for the nomination like nobody’s ever seen before. There it is, Trump at 71 percent, Ron DeSanctimonious at 10%."
Trump continued: “Mike Pence at seven, oh, Mike is doing better than I thought. Liz Cheney there’s no way she’s at 4%. There’s no way. There’s no way. But we’re at 71 to 10 to 7 to 4."
DeSantis had defended Trump earlier in the year when asked about a rift between the two potential GOP frontrunners: "He wants to see Republicans doing well. And I think when media is trying to act like he's upset at me for doing well, I think that's total bunk. I think they're just making it up."
I’ve thought that pairing Trump and DeSantis together would make for a formidable GOP ticket, simply in terms of best chances of beating the Democrats in 2024.
Other names that have been thrown around in the mix for President and VP in 2024 include Rand Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Liz Cheyney, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Mike Pence. Other names in the mix have included Donald Trump Jr., Mike Pompeo, Rick Scott and Nikki Haley.
Personally, the idea of Rand Paul being a running mate to anyone excites me. Getting a real libertarian that high up in government could catalyze a real shift in the way the country thinks about government. Someone floated the idea of Trump and Paul this morning, which is what prompted me to make this thread.
I wanted to query my readers as to what they think the best ticket for 2024 could be - and more importantly why?
Are there any “outsiders” not being mentioned that you think should run, and why?
What are the best mate/running mate combinations and why?
I’d like Trump to move on. He can be kingmaker rather than kind. His ego may not allow it. But whoever steps in implicitly needs his nod but also needs to step out as their own person. Not easy. Putting the rift aside, DeSantis/Gabbard. She is very complementary to him. Has the foreign policy experience that dovetails nicely to an America first platform. I’d like to see Kari Lake govern but she also may make a decent VP. I too am a Rand Paul fan but remain skeptical about anyone in congress for any length of time. Do they possess the fight needed? Maybe. Ted Cruz has grown on me over the years. Certainly brilliant. He’s converted to America first since his last attempt at Pres. But not sure they’d get the votes.
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DeSantis/Paul. IMO, unlike the others listed in the original post, Paul consistently articulates a coherent limited government philosophy & reliably votes the way he talks
Desantis can win on his own. He'll have a huge swath of support from former Blue voters appalled by Covid skullduggery, mandates, etc. We'd see the biggest shift in voting patterns in modern times.
A Trump win, while an improvement over the Biden administration, is still a bad direction for America.
DeSantis has better leadership qualities.
I hope the Republicans act smart and move towards the center. There’s a lot of fertile ground there. We need a move back to capitalism, weather the austerity storm, take steps to counter/disrupt BRICS, and eliminate the WEFs influence from global politics.
It will be interesting to see what Tulsi does. She has a lot of support, but won’t affiliate with either party.
DeSantis over Trump. DeSantis successfully navigated the Coronavirus disaster. While Trump succumbed to the failed medical policies of Fauci and worse still took credit for the biggest medical disaster in history aka the coronavirus vaccine.
Trump couldn’t appoint loyal members of his administration. He always had to contend with ‘swamp’ appointees who were trying to sabotage his administration. Since DeSantis has executive experience on a state level I believe he will better handle the Swamp.
DeSantis-Noem. It's past time for those we elect (from either major party) to get serious about a range of fiscal issues, notably runaway spending, deficits, and debt.
Trump knows show biz well and is my my humble estimation playing a game that has as its goal Desantis being the nominee without it looking too easy or otherwise letting Desantis not be beholden to Trump who needs to keep the democrat and their dogs at the DOJ at bay. Even Trump's ego should be able to see that the risks of redemption by re-election will only further expose him and his family to rabid detractors who will pursue him and his family to their graves. If he truly loves america, which is fair to assume, DeSantis is the best choice amercia has. Ignoring what the media claims, DeSantis appears in the reasons for his decisions, to be measured, thoughtful, and principled which sets up better conditions for building consensus. Gabbard would be a great running mate on foriegn policy. Rand Paul, a smarter and better overall running mate.
Trump is a buffoon. He declared the emergency in 2020 that gave all the state governors cover to lock everyone down. He used taxpayer money for the vaccines that were forced on a lot of people and he still brags about this. And he let the Jan 6 protesters rot in isolation (where many still are) while he gave pardons to Kodak Black and Lil' Wayne.
DeSantis, while not perfect, is much better. Did you hear him talk when he re-opened Florida after two weeks? You could tell this guy actually read a few studies (something Trump could never be bothered to do). If Trump runs, I think DeSantis sits 2024 out to avoid the inevitable cluster-F that the primary and election will be. He doesn't need Trump giving him a nickname.
Agree that Rand Paul would be a good name for Trump to have on the ticket. Rand may be the best Senator this country has ever had could and he's a smart fellow which could balance out Trump being an ignorant buffoon.
I’d like to see Desantis and Tulsi or Desantis and Nikki Haley. Rand Paul would be a great VP as well. Hopefully the Republicans can move on from Trump or we’re able to get a legitimate 3rd party breaking away from the Republicans if they run Trump.
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Economy:
- Immediate cessation of any and all regulations in the energy industry and announcing a fully tax-free zone for all industries in the energy sector
- The same for nuclear research and development with SOME government security overwatch (For obvious reasons). One example would be microreactors like these: https://micronucleartech.com/
- Allow SOME form of transition from debt-based monetary systems to gold-based monetary systems. Banks like Peter Schiff's come to mind
Healthcare:
- IMMEDIATE abandonment of the licence to practice system and allowing foreign doctors to work in the US
- Allowing for real competition in drugs manufacturing - for instance eliminating most patents for molecules and allowing all companies to compete for manufacturing of medical pharmaceuticals and equipment
Education:
- Halting the woke wave in universities and re-establishing truly objective moral standards in higher education
An interesting question is whether or not this would actually be the position of the democratic majority. I am afraid these viewpoints are rather a minority opinion by now. Which is why the US is doomed to a Venezuela outcome on democratic principles alone.
As for names and concrete representatives - please forgive my ignorance, but I know very little about US political candidates. The only one I know somewhat is Rand and Ron Paul and Trump of course.
The two reasons we got Joe Biden in the first place was that because of Covid he could hide in his basement and read his teleprompter, but more importantly, he was not Donald Trump. I think a lot of people voted for genial, smiling Uncle Joe for that reason alone. I don't think Trump can win over many of the people who fell into this camp. DeSantis is the strongest GOP candidate with the most appeal. He is in his forties, has a brain, and has a good story to tell as Florida governor. In terms of his running mates, I could see Rand Paul, but would be really excited about Tulsi Gabbard. She speaks so much common sense. She could pull some women votes, and is well qualified for presidential succession purposes, unlike our current VP. Trump is/will be in his mid 70's, and will still act like a bull in a china shop and make everything about him. Cruz, no pull, been there done that. Mike Pence, please. No brains. Pompeo is a warmonger owned by the military industrial complex. Note how well that has worked out for us.
I've heard DeSantis/Gabbard ticket floated before which I think would be a good ticket as neither seem like extremists and if they work well together it would be good for the country (hopefully they could pull many people in the US closer to the middle and show some leadership by compromising). Paul/Gabbard would be interesting too but I don't think Paul is very likeable to a lot of people.
I think DeSantis can win the general election if the Republican primary doesn't turn into a no-holds-barred Trump/DeSantis cage match. The simple fact is that a large segment of voters just won't vote for Trump for any reason. Hell, that is the reason we have the moronic doofus with dementia as a president now. I hope Trump will stand aside for the good of the country and let DeSantis have a clearer passage to the Republican nomination.
I think Trump can do more good as a kingmaker who bestows his blessing on different candidates. I don't think his ego will allow that but I am hope I am wrong on that.
I like Rand Paul a lot though he is not a media darling and I kind of like him operating in the senate like his father did calling those out who need to be called out.
Hmmmm. Let’s see what happens on Tuesday and in the days that follow. If the cheating is massive 2024 won’t matter. Or won’t even occur. They will just announce the new Marxist Leader. Just like China did. I expect a massive amount of fraud, especially where it really matters. They already told us they were going to cheat. The question is how much can they get away with. If it’s enough we will all be living on the technocratic plantation soon enough and future elections won’t matter. There hasn’t been an honest one since, oh, about 1960. So I’m not real hopeful.
The dream running mates (or eventually presidential candidates) are Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul. Having either of them on board is important to get US foreign policy on the right track and cashier the neocons, who have caused only mess and mayhem the last 20 years. For this reason, Liz Cheney (is she still a Republican?) and Marco Rubio should be avoided. Tulsi has also the advantages of being young and charismatic (being the best public speaker since Obama and Reagan) and could bring along independents and some Democrats - and she has an abundance of courage, as well as military experience.
The difference between Trump and DeSantis is that the Governor's experience in government and staffing.
Trump's Achilles heel was in hiring deep state players in key positions (not firing Comey immediately, hiring Chris Wray, even Bill Barr's absence during the election shenanigans was troubling).
Trump should be kingmaker, DeSantis and Paul would be ideal.
Trump/Gabbard is a winner. Kristi Noem is another possible running mate. Nobody in the GOP wants to see Trump vs DeSantis. It would be too polarizing for the party. The best ticket would be DeSantis/Gabbard.. if Trump could bow out and let a GenX candidate run, it would make for an unstoppable ticket.
Tulsi was the only D left who could garner broad support. Example: if the Ds put up Tulsi and the Rs put up Pence, Tulsi wins easily. Everyone sees Biden's dementia and the vacuum that is between Harris' ears. The Ds are too far gone woke to actually have a viable other candidate. Trump/Gabbard wins either as R or I.
I’m a MAGA guy, but Trump is on thin ice with me. I don’t think he’d make the same mistakes if he gets a second term, but I think he’s still too beholden to the uniparty establishment, Wall Street, and Israel. (Holy shit on the Whitney Webb interview by the way😳) I think any major party candidate probably is as well, so I don’t have any illusions that Desantis would be as pure as I would like. That said, if Trump starts shitting on Desantis, I’m done with him.
I would really hate to lose DeSantis from Florida as he was the only critical thinking Governor I know of currently. Maybe others exist I just don't know the details. I really hope Trump steps aside as he is just too divisive. I liked his policies but he just can't stop looking like a clown. He does crack me up. He should have crushed Biden in the debate but he just goes off the rails with his embellishment. DeSantis has been so logical in his approach keeping openminded on real solutions. The critics don't really want a true discussion of the trades offs addressing any issue. I have been very impressed with Tulsi Gabbard and would support her as VP. This has been a very strange transition to a strongly biased media pushing this agenda. I think when and if you get people to discuss issues instead of camps most agree. We really need to discuss trade-offs at play in policy.
None of the above. We. F Buckley Jr. Is spinning in his grave. Not a Conservative in the lot. Trump rode Epstein's Lolita Express as did others. They're all crony capitalists. Libertarians ha. Keep government out of my wife's uterus. Separation of Church and State is so 1960's. Imposition of religious concepts on freedom is against the Constitution, especially when the fastest growing religion in the US is "none." Change my mind
I would like to see a team of Trump/Paul...........i am a Canadian so hence i don't get to vote...lol....but in MHO......its the Trump/Paul team.......
i am not a fan of any politician but i do like Trump......
The only woman worth being on the ticket with DeSantis is Kari Lake. Gabbard has not really walked the talk . Noem brings no real firepower or populace. Haley is Bushite RINO.
Trump and/or DeSantis, although there are legit concerns about RDS being backed by GOPe RINO losers. Whether the GOP poobahs or big donors want to accept it or not, it is Trump's party right now. Here's my take on others:
Pence - LOL no (C'mon man, this dude did it to himself)
Pompeo - dark horse vp maybe, but no.
Haley - no
Rand Paul - no
Gabbard - would be a risky choice; but no. She seems to be positioning herself for it.
Mitt - ROFL no
Paul Ryan - same
Cheney -- not even the D's would take her. C'mon man.
Noem -- unlikely but not out of the question.
Cruz -- No
Tim Scott -- No, but T could be talked into him as a VP, but he is also GOPe
Rick Scott -- No
Kari Lake -- hmmm, but she has to win in AZ first
Bottom Line: Trump ticket w/ RDS, Lake, Paul, Gabbard, Pompeo OR
RDS with Pompeo or Nikki Haley - which makes for questionable #2s.
I actually don't think RDS runs this go round -- UNLESS Trump decides not to, then he would be the front runner. I'm not sure Trump is running either -- age and the circus that would ensue. But if he wants it, is should be his given the screw job of 2020.
If you really want Media and Democrat heads exploding, you put up a Trump / MTG ticket (LOL)
I reject the boomer-con obsession with picking a woman. Noem is a huge squish, Tulsi a enviro-nut, Haley a warmongering neocon. None of them are better than any man.
Anybody but Trump. It was so satisfying to watch him win and the progressives have to deal with the fact that they went so crazy that the country chose Donald Trump instead. But the constant nonsense just wasn’t worth it. DeSantis has an uncanny ability to just shut them down we they sling crazy stuff at him, whereas Trump seems to welcome it and even feed on it. And in the end it just made the progressives even more crazy than they were before. It took me a while to realize, but Trump was not worth it. He exposed the media for the frauds they are and that’s his legacy. However I have no desire to live through another 4 years of Trump vs. CNN.
Though some of Trump's policies were good, feel like he is too polarizing and perhaps more importantly he's no spring chicken and especially so in another 2 years, he'll be 78. I don't care how sharp you are, the job is a pressure cooker and I'm not sure a 78 year old will be up to the task and have the acuity and energy needed in these times. The last thing we need is a another leader w/o their full mental ability
Okay. I’ll get sucked in... DeSantis has laid in the groundwork by his response to COVID, his advocating for limited on Wokeness and the LGBTQ agenda, he’s focused on education policy. I grew up in Florida and every time I go back I’m amazed at how it just works. I have a family member who administers the Dade-County Courts and through the years I got a glimpse as to how Florida navigates economic cycles adjusting public expenditure as needed. My cousin is married to DeSantis’ new secretary of education Manny Diaz and I love the focus on academic achievement... DeSantis is putting together a cabinet right now. I’m comparison Trump is bloviating but offers nothing in comparison. I think Tulsi Gabbard will make a great national leader. She’s moderate and strong in her opinions and has a great back of service to this country. I would love to see a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket. Pragmatic, sensible just what the country needs. Trump can be a king-maker or he can be a spoiler. He needs to become the elder statesmen now. Please.
First off, Trump and DeSantis can’t run together unless Trump moves to another state.
No matter who gets the nomination, the media and Dems (but I repeat myself) will insist that the candidate is just another version of Trump, even if it is someone as unTrumpy as Pompeo.
If we (I’m a die-hard party guy) have the right top of the ticket, we could easily surpass 60 in the senate, maybe even get beyond the margin of Collins/Romney and really be able to make substantive changes.
My preference is DeSantis paired with Tim Scott, but would be happy with Noem, Haley or Lake as VP.
Trump might be able to win again, but he is so hard on the country and the GOP in my state in particular, that I would just as soon he ride off into the sunset.
Trump needs to bow out and take on the mantle of elder statesman(?)/kingmaker. He came in, broke the china, flipped some chairs over and red-pilled a helluva lot of Americans. But we’re now at a point where the foundation for the long term success of the US has to be reinforced, mainly thru the dissolution of the deep state elements that constantly thwarted Trump, followed by the re-establishment of international cooperation and mutually beneficial diplomacy. Trump was/is excellent at dealing with international issues from a deal-maker standpoint, but the eyerolls he generally elicited at international summits clearly indicated that the WEF-er classes didn’t see any need to take him seriously.
It seems probable that the deep staters will take extreme measures (see 11/22/63) to preclude a return to the WH for Trump if he were to run, and that would likely end the Republic as we know it. Absent that, we all know damn well that if Trump announces, Antifa bulls#it would start up all over again, and that would also lead to a bad outcome, since it doesn’t seem like a lot of Americans are just gonna stand by and watch their neighborhoods burn, the next time around.
At the end of the day, I think Trump’s time has passed, and hopefully, his advisors will persuade him that he can do more from the directors chair than in front of the cameras. Unfortunately, I don’t think his ego will allow that, so buckle up. It’s gonna be bumpy for the next two years.
If you want Trump to run again as a right-leaning person, then you’d better hope for some serious economic chaos over the next two years because that is his only path back to the White House. Otherwise, he’s still going to be just as repulsive to suburban voters as he ever was. Look how poorly Mastriano is polling in Pennsylvania. We need a moderate R vs a moderate D in 2024. Someone like Mayor Pete for the Dems. No idea who the Republicans have who fits that mold.
Paul/Gabbard. It's time to move on from Trump and the others in his circle. A move to the center would be a refreshing change, and yes DEMS this applies to you. Should Congress flip to the GOP would America vote in a GOP president? Voters seem to love the "checks and balances" mentality of government that ultimately ensnarl the country in neutral. Maybe the last four years of the DEMS is enough to change that course.
In talking with colleagues recently we discussed what would happen if both parties agreed to come to the table with one legislative issue they would no longer push forward if the other party also presented one legislative issue they would no longer push forward. Say the GOP no longer will block abortion rights at the state level and the DEMs no longer try to go after the Second amendment. Would that be the first step to a more central, level headed government that could pave the way to really working to sort out the major issues that are facing our country and imperil our future?
Yes, he can be bombastic and buffoonish, while on most policy (with the enormous exception of covid) Trump was fine.
There is only one reason I would go with Trump - because this is no longer just about policy and future, we need honest to God accountability for the last six years. It should be personal to Trump and that is useful. No one else would feel the need to clean house and bring actual indictments where they are so long overdue.
How about this, after the second round of cheating? Trump announces, much like he did long ago with his round of judges, including full proactive disclosure of who his key appointments are and what their main charges will be. They run as a group with an agenda.
VP, Kari Lake, after they finish stealing AZ again. Her charges are the border and election fraud. For the latter, they can include Mark Finchem or Matt DePerno at head of civil rights division of DOJ.
Then maybe Sarah Palin at DOE, with a charge to rebuild sanity with an eye on ANWR.
How about Scott Atlas or Robert Malone as head of HHS, or at least NIH, to dismantle the cesspool?
Maybe James Craig at FBI to oversee the housecleaning?
Would Larry Arnn be willing to head up Education in order to tear it apart?
Would Harmeet Dillion take a turn at DOJ to root out federal corruption and tyranny?
Find a places and missions for Larry Elder, Tudor Dixon, Mehmet Oz and others, with particular emphasis on what roles could be particular pains in the butt for the very people and machines and took them out?
The list is endless.
Basically Trump could take everyone who lost a chance to do something useful due to cancelling and election cheating and use them for those very same purposes, only bigger. In Lake's case, she was running here in AZ about the AZ border. Wouldn't it be sweet revenge if by cheating to prevent her action on the AZ border they only enabled Lake to do exactly what she promised across the entire border?
Enlist the 'losers' who didn't really lose, charge them to do exactly what they had local support for on a larger national scale, and run as a team.
I want DeSantis, but not yet. I trust him to rebuild a productive smaller government later, but at the moment all I want is a bouncer who will smash the machine.
You have got to ask yourself why the media is propping up De Santis and he has not received the level of attacks that Trump has. It is because he is not a threat to the powers that be.
Trump and DeSantis won't run on the same ticket. They each want to be lead, and neither are going to choose to take a back seat. If Trump runs he likely gets the nomination. He still has an immense following and is wildly popular with the base. The issue is going to be though that he likely is will be arrested or have pending investigations around him. My guess is that DeSantis is able to carry the base better in that circumstance and get the vote of people who didn't like the mean tweets from Trump.
The Right has seemingly become convinced that Tulsi is the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Like she's a new toy they just took out of the package and can't wait to play with. Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential campaign website is easy to find in the Internet Wayback machine. Read the below list of her stated positions on issues from her own website before anointing her the next Rush Limbaugh.
- "has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity clips" (Yes, she said "clips", LOL.)
- “We must ensure universal healthcare and empower the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies”
- "establish a law to set a goal of reaching 100% renewable energy by 2045"
- "Divestment from fossil fuels is the way of the future"
- "We should also extend the wind production tax credit and solar investment tax credit"
- "By the one simple act of ending oil speculation... the Justice Department should immediately begin the crackdown on oil speculators" (She's talking about criminalizing futures trading).
- "Tulsi is pushing to help end subsidies for the nuclear energy industry"
- "Tulsi opposes continued reliance on nuclear energy in the U.S. and is a vocal proponent of development of safe, environmentally-friendly forms of energy."
- "Wall Street greed fuels high gas prices"
There is a case to be made that there is no sense in beating these libs into submission if you don't embrace them with open arms when they finally do submit. I think that's fair. But let's not give her the Republican presidential nomination just yet.
For some reason, I actually like Tulsi. I like her anti-war positions, but that doesn't make her "good". It just makes her the least bad on the most important issue.
Trump is now controlled opposition. They threaten him and his family with endless prosecution/persecution. His only escape is to undermine and DESTROY any credible candidate the Republicans might produce. Despite what he may have been, or tried to be, he is now a spoiler. Divide and conquer apparently works well.
Trump/Paul would be a strong ticket. DeSantis needs to term out as governor in FL, we need him too much for him to try his shot at the White House. He also needs to tune up his campaigning, which has a lot of Jeb Bush energy behind it (if you've seen the emails you'd know what I'm talking about).
Gabbard is a non-starter with her anti-2A stance (among many others). She's more toxic than Pence, which is saying a lot.
I like the idea of Trump / Paul. The revolution started with Ron back in 2008 and 2012. I was part of a local group that spoke for Ron Paul at the Iowa caucuses and the energy and intensity was there. The great thing about it was we were all young, I sensed a change in the mindset of Republicans. That's how things start, and they take time to bear fruit. Since Trump already has the momentum lets keep him there with Paul. Then in 2028 we can start talking about Rand Paul, DeSantis, or even Kari Lake. The freedom movement needs to start looking away from entrenched republicans like Rubio, Cruz, and Pence. Last name that needs to be considered is Thomas Massie!! But I can only hope.
I’d like Trump to move on. He can be kingmaker rather than kind. His ego may not allow it. But whoever steps in implicitly needs his nod but also needs to step out as their own person. Not easy. Putting the rift aside, DeSantis/Gabbard. She is very complementary to him. Has the foreign policy experience that dovetails nicely to an America first platform. I’d like to see Kari Lake govern but she also may make a decent VP. I too am a Rand Paul fan but remain skeptical about anyone in congress for any length of time. Do they possess the fight needed? Maybe. Ted Cruz has grown on me over the years. Certainly brilliant. He’s converted to America first since his last attempt at Pres. But not sure they’d get the votes.
DeSantis/Paul. IMO, unlike the others listed in the original post, Paul consistently articulates a coherent limited government philosophy & reliably votes the way he talks
Desantis can win on his own. He'll have a huge swath of support from former Blue voters appalled by Covid skullduggery, mandates, etc. We'd see the biggest shift in voting patterns in modern times.
Aligning with Trump would throw this all away.
A Trump win, while an improvement over the Biden administration, is still a bad direction for America.
DeSantis has better leadership qualities.
I hope the Republicans act smart and move towards the center. There’s a lot of fertile ground there. We need a move back to capitalism, weather the austerity storm, take steps to counter/disrupt BRICS, and eliminate the WEFs influence from global politics.
It will be interesting to see what Tulsi does. She has a lot of support, but won’t affiliate with either party.
DeSantis over Trump. DeSantis successfully navigated the Coronavirus disaster. While Trump succumbed to the failed medical policies of Fauci and worse still took credit for the biggest medical disaster in history aka the coronavirus vaccine.
Trump couldn’t appoint loyal members of his administration. He always had to contend with ‘swamp’ appointees who were trying to sabotage his administration. Since DeSantis has executive experience on a state level I believe he will better handle the Swamp.
DeSantis-Noem. It's past time for those we elect (from either major party) to get serious about a range of fiscal issues, notably runaway spending, deficits, and debt.
Trump knows show biz well and is my my humble estimation playing a game that has as its goal Desantis being the nominee without it looking too easy or otherwise letting Desantis not be beholden to Trump who needs to keep the democrat and their dogs at the DOJ at bay. Even Trump's ego should be able to see that the risks of redemption by re-election will only further expose him and his family to rabid detractors who will pursue him and his family to their graves. If he truly loves america, which is fair to assume, DeSantis is the best choice amercia has. Ignoring what the media claims, DeSantis appears in the reasons for his decisions, to be measured, thoughtful, and principled which sets up better conditions for building consensus. Gabbard would be a great running mate on foriegn policy. Rand Paul, a smarter and better overall running mate.
Trump is a buffoon. He declared the emergency in 2020 that gave all the state governors cover to lock everyone down. He used taxpayer money for the vaccines that were forced on a lot of people and he still brags about this. And he let the Jan 6 protesters rot in isolation (where many still are) while he gave pardons to Kodak Black and Lil' Wayne.
DeSantis, while not perfect, is much better. Did you hear him talk when he re-opened Florida after two weeks? You could tell this guy actually read a few studies (something Trump could never be bothered to do). If Trump runs, I think DeSantis sits 2024 out to avoid the inevitable cluster-F that the primary and election will be. He doesn't need Trump giving him a nickname.
Agree that Rand Paul would be a good name for Trump to have on the ticket. Rand may be the best Senator this country has ever had could and he's a smart fellow which could balance out Trump being an ignorant buffoon.
I’d like to see Desantis and Tulsi or Desantis and Nikki Haley. Rand Paul would be a great VP as well. Hopefully the Republicans can move on from Trump or we’re able to get a legitimate 3rd party breaking away from the Republicans if they run Trump.
Ron Desantis/Winsome Sears
Economy:
- Immediate cessation of any and all regulations in the energy industry and announcing a fully tax-free zone for all industries in the energy sector
- The same for nuclear research and development with SOME government security overwatch (For obvious reasons). One example would be microreactors like these: https://micronucleartech.com/
- Allow SOME form of transition from debt-based monetary systems to gold-based monetary systems. Banks like Peter Schiff's come to mind
Healthcare:
- IMMEDIATE abandonment of the licence to practice system and allowing foreign doctors to work in the US
- Allowing for real competition in drugs manufacturing - for instance eliminating most patents for molecules and allowing all companies to compete for manufacturing of medical pharmaceuticals and equipment
Education:
- Halting the woke wave in universities and re-establishing truly objective moral standards in higher education
An interesting question is whether or not this would actually be the position of the democratic majority. I am afraid these viewpoints are rather a minority opinion by now. Which is why the US is doomed to a Venezuela outcome on democratic principles alone.
As for names and concrete representatives - please forgive my ignorance, but I know very little about US political candidates. The only one I know somewhat is Rand and Ron Paul and Trump of course.
The two reasons we got Joe Biden in the first place was that because of Covid he could hide in his basement and read his teleprompter, but more importantly, he was not Donald Trump. I think a lot of people voted for genial, smiling Uncle Joe for that reason alone. I don't think Trump can win over many of the people who fell into this camp. DeSantis is the strongest GOP candidate with the most appeal. He is in his forties, has a brain, and has a good story to tell as Florida governor. In terms of his running mates, I could see Rand Paul, but would be really excited about Tulsi Gabbard. She speaks so much common sense. She could pull some women votes, and is well qualified for presidential succession purposes, unlike our current VP. Trump is/will be in his mid 70's, and will still act like a bull in a china shop and make everything about him. Cruz, no pull, been there done that. Mike Pence, please. No brains. Pompeo is a warmonger owned by the military industrial complex. Note how well that has worked out for us.
I've heard DeSantis/Gabbard ticket floated before which I think would be a good ticket as neither seem like extremists and if they work well together it would be good for the country (hopefully they could pull many people in the US closer to the middle and show some leadership by compromising). Paul/Gabbard would be interesting too but I don't think Paul is very likeable to a lot of people.
I think DeSantis can win the general election if the Republican primary doesn't turn into a no-holds-barred Trump/DeSantis cage match. The simple fact is that a large segment of voters just won't vote for Trump for any reason. Hell, that is the reason we have the moronic doofus with dementia as a president now. I hope Trump will stand aside for the good of the country and let DeSantis have a clearer passage to the Republican nomination.
I think Trump can do more good as a kingmaker who bestows his blessing on different candidates. I don't think his ego will allow that but I am hope I am wrong on that.
I like Rand Paul a lot though he is not a media darling and I kind of like him operating in the senate like his father did calling those out who need to be called out.
Hmmmm. Let’s see what happens on Tuesday and in the days that follow. If the cheating is massive 2024 won’t matter. Or won’t even occur. They will just announce the new Marxist Leader. Just like China did. I expect a massive amount of fraud, especially where it really matters. They already told us they were going to cheat. The question is how much can they get away with. If it’s enough we will all be living on the technocratic plantation soon enough and future elections won’t matter. There hasn’t been an honest one since, oh, about 1960. So I’m not real hopeful.
Trump plus Gabbard for 2024…hands down
The dream running mates (or eventually presidential candidates) are Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul. Having either of them on board is important to get US foreign policy on the right track and cashier the neocons, who have caused only mess and mayhem the last 20 years. For this reason, Liz Cheney (is she still a Republican?) and Marco Rubio should be avoided. Tulsi has also the advantages of being young and charismatic (being the best public speaker since Obama and Reagan) and could bring along independents and some Democrats - and she has an abundance of courage, as well as military experience.
The difference between Trump and DeSantis is that the Governor's experience in government and staffing.
Trump's Achilles heel was in hiring deep state players in key positions (not firing Comey immediately, hiring Chris Wray, even Bill Barr's absence during the election shenanigans was troubling).
Trump should be kingmaker, DeSantis and Paul would be ideal.
Trump would be too divisive. We need to moderate and come together in the middle
And Desantis/Noem would be the choice IMHO
Trump/Gabbard is a winner. Kristi Noem is another possible running mate. Nobody in the GOP wants to see Trump vs DeSantis. It would be too polarizing for the party. The best ticket would be DeSantis/Gabbard.. if Trump could bow out and let a GenX candidate run, it would make for an unstoppable ticket.
It doesn't seem like "they" will allow Trump to be on the ticket
Trump's swipe at DeSantis just illustrates how vulnerable Trump feels. He should be. DeSantis is Trump without all the thin-skinned baggage.
Tulsi was the only D left who could garner broad support. Example: if the Ds put up Tulsi and the Rs put up Pence, Tulsi wins easily. Everyone sees Biden's dementia and the vacuum that is between Harris' ears. The Ds are too far gone woke to actually have a viable other candidate. Trump/Gabbard wins either as R or I.
I’m a MAGA guy, but Trump is on thin ice with me. I don’t think he’d make the same mistakes if he gets a second term, but I think he’s still too beholden to the uniparty establishment, Wall Street, and Israel. (Holy shit on the Whitney Webb interview by the way😳) I think any major party candidate probably is as well, so I don’t have any illusions that Desantis would be as pure as I would like. That said, if Trump starts shitting on Desantis, I’m done with him.
I would really hate to lose DeSantis from Florida as he was the only critical thinking Governor I know of currently. Maybe others exist I just don't know the details. I really hope Trump steps aside as he is just too divisive. I liked his policies but he just can't stop looking like a clown. He does crack me up. He should have crushed Biden in the debate but he just goes off the rails with his embellishment. DeSantis has been so logical in his approach keeping openminded on real solutions. The critics don't really want a true discussion of the trades offs addressing any issue. I have been very impressed with Tulsi Gabbard and would support her as VP. This has been a very strange transition to a strongly biased media pushing this agenda. I think when and if you get people to discuss issues instead of camps most agree. We really need to discuss trade-offs at play in policy.
None of the above. We. F Buckley Jr. Is spinning in his grave. Not a Conservative in the lot. Trump rode Epstein's Lolita Express as did others. They're all crony capitalists. Libertarians ha. Keep government out of my wife's uterus. Separation of Church and State is so 1960's. Imposition of religious concepts on freedom is against the Constitution, especially when the fastest growing religion in the US is "none." Change my mind
I would like to see a team of Trump/Paul...........i am a Canadian so hence i don't get to vote...lol....but in MHO......its the Trump/Paul team.......
i am not a fan of any politician but i do like Trump......
The only woman worth being on the ticket with DeSantis is Kari Lake. Gabbard has not really walked the talk . Noem brings no real firepower or populace. Haley is Bushite RINO.
Trump and/or DeSantis, although there are legit concerns about RDS being backed by GOPe RINO losers. Whether the GOP poobahs or big donors want to accept it or not, it is Trump's party right now. Here's my take on others:
Pence - LOL no (C'mon man, this dude did it to himself)
Pompeo - dark horse vp maybe, but no.
Haley - no
Rand Paul - no
Gabbard - would be a risky choice; but no. She seems to be positioning herself for it.
Mitt - ROFL no
Paul Ryan - same
Cheney -- not even the D's would take her. C'mon man.
Noem -- unlikely but not out of the question.
Cruz -- No
Tim Scott -- No, but T could be talked into him as a VP, but he is also GOPe
Rick Scott -- No
Kari Lake -- hmmm, but she has to win in AZ first
Bottom Line: Trump ticket w/ RDS, Lake, Paul, Gabbard, Pompeo OR
RDS with Pompeo or Nikki Haley - which makes for questionable #2s.
I actually don't think RDS runs this go round -- UNLESS Trump decides not to, then he would be the front runner. I'm not sure Trump is running either -- age and the circus that would ensue. But if he wants it, is should be his given the screw job of 2020.
If you really want Media and Democrat heads exploding, you put up a Trump / MTG ticket (LOL)
DeSantis should not run alongside Donald Trump. Doing so would ruin DeSantis‘s name and his chances in 2028.
I reject the boomer-con obsession with picking a woman. Noem is a huge squish, Tulsi a enviro-nut, Haley a warmongering neocon. None of them are better than any man.
Anybody but Trump. It was so satisfying to watch him win and the progressives have to deal with the fact that they went so crazy that the country chose Donald Trump instead. But the constant nonsense just wasn’t worth it. DeSantis has an uncanny ability to just shut them down we they sling crazy stuff at him, whereas Trump seems to welcome it and even feed on it. And in the end it just made the progressives even more crazy than they were before. It took me a while to realize, but Trump was not worth it. He exposed the media for the frauds they are and that’s his legacy. However I have no desire to live through another 4 years of Trump vs. CNN.
DeSantis/Gabbard in 2024! Trump too controversial… toxic.
Though some of Trump's policies were good, feel like he is too polarizing and perhaps more importantly he's no spring chicken and especially so in another 2 years, he'll be 78. I don't care how sharp you are, the job is a pressure cooker and I'm not sure a 78 year old will be up to the task and have the acuity and energy needed in these times. The last thing we need is a another leader w/o their full mental ability
Okay. I’ll get sucked in... DeSantis has laid in the groundwork by his response to COVID, his advocating for limited on Wokeness and the LGBTQ agenda, he’s focused on education policy. I grew up in Florida and every time I go back I’m amazed at how it just works. I have a family member who administers the Dade-County Courts and through the years I got a glimpse as to how Florida navigates economic cycles adjusting public expenditure as needed. My cousin is married to DeSantis’ new secretary of education Manny Diaz and I love the focus on academic achievement... DeSantis is putting together a cabinet right now. I’m comparison Trump is bloviating but offers nothing in comparison. I think Tulsi Gabbard will make a great national leader. She’s moderate and strong in her opinions and has a great back of service to this country. I would love to see a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket. Pragmatic, sensible just what the country needs. Trump can be a king-maker or he can be a spoiler. He needs to become the elder statesmen now. Please.
Fun reading the thoughts of others.
First off, Trump and DeSantis can’t run together unless Trump moves to another state.
No matter who gets the nomination, the media and Dems (but I repeat myself) will insist that the candidate is just another version of Trump, even if it is someone as unTrumpy as Pompeo.
If we (I’m a die-hard party guy) have the right top of the ticket, we could easily surpass 60 in the senate, maybe even get beyond the margin of Collins/Romney and really be able to make substantive changes.
My preference is DeSantis paired with Tim Scott, but would be happy with Noem, Haley or Lake as VP.
Trump might be able to win again, but he is so hard on the country and the GOP in my state in particular, that I would just as soon he ride off into the sunset.
Trump needs to bow out and take on the mantle of elder statesman(?)/kingmaker. He came in, broke the china, flipped some chairs over and red-pilled a helluva lot of Americans. But we’re now at a point where the foundation for the long term success of the US has to be reinforced, mainly thru the dissolution of the deep state elements that constantly thwarted Trump, followed by the re-establishment of international cooperation and mutually beneficial diplomacy. Trump was/is excellent at dealing with international issues from a deal-maker standpoint, but the eyerolls he generally elicited at international summits clearly indicated that the WEF-er classes didn’t see any need to take him seriously.
It seems probable that the deep staters will take extreme measures (see 11/22/63) to preclude a return to the WH for Trump if he were to run, and that would likely end the Republic as we know it. Absent that, we all know damn well that if Trump announces, Antifa bulls#it would start up all over again, and that would also lead to a bad outcome, since it doesn’t seem like a lot of Americans are just gonna stand by and watch their neighborhoods burn, the next time around.
At the end of the day, I think Trump’s time has passed, and hopefully, his advisors will persuade him that he can do more from the directors chair than in front of the cameras. Unfortunately, I don’t think his ego will allow that, so buckle up. It’s gonna be bumpy for the next two years.
If you want Trump to run again as a right-leaning person, then you’d better hope for some serious economic chaos over the next two years because that is his only path back to the White House. Otherwise, he’s still going to be just as repulsive to suburban voters as he ever was. Look how poorly Mastriano is polling in Pennsylvania. We need a moderate R vs a moderate D in 2024. Someone like Mayor Pete for the Dems. No idea who the Republicans have who fits that mold.
Trump presidency only if he focuses on capital punishment for Fauci, Soros and Klausy-baby
Paul/Gabbard. It's time to move on from Trump and the others in his circle. A move to the center would be a refreshing change, and yes DEMS this applies to you. Should Congress flip to the GOP would America vote in a GOP president? Voters seem to love the "checks and balances" mentality of government that ultimately ensnarl the country in neutral. Maybe the last four years of the DEMS is enough to change that course.
In talking with colleagues recently we discussed what would happen if both parties agreed to come to the table with one legislative issue they would no longer push forward if the other party also presented one legislative issue they would no longer push forward. Say the GOP no longer will block abortion rights at the state level and the DEMs no longer try to go after the Second amendment. Would that be the first step to a more central, level headed government that could pave the way to really working to sort out the major issues that are facing our country and imperil our future?
Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis
Yes, he can be bombastic and buffoonish, while on most policy (with the enormous exception of covid) Trump was fine.
There is only one reason I would go with Trump - because this is no longer just about policy and future, we need honest to God accountability for the last six years. It should be personal to Trump and that is useful. No one else would feel the need to clean house and bring actual indictments where they are so long overdue.
How about this, after the second round of cheating? Trump announces, much like he did long ago with his round of judges, including full proactive disclosure of who his key appointments are and what their main charges will be. They run as a group with an agenda.
VP, Kari Lake, after they finish stealing AZ again. Her charges are the border and election fraud. For the latter, they can include Mark Finchem or Matt DePerno at head of civil rights division of DOJ.
Then maybe Sarah Palin at DOE, with a charge to rebuild sanity with an eye on ANWR.
How about Scott Atlas or Robert Malone as head of HHS, or at least NIH, to dismantle the cesspool?
Maybe James Craig at FBI to oversee the housecleaning?
Would Larry Arnn be willing to head up Education in order to tear it apart?
Would Harmeet Dillion take a turn at DOJ to root out federal corruption and tyranny?
Find a places and missions for Larry Elder, Tudor Dixon, Mehmet Oz and others, with particular emphasis on what roles could be particular pains in the butt for the very people and machines and took them out?
The list is endless.
Basically Trump could take everyone who lost a chance to do something useful due to cancelling and election cheating and use them for those very same purposes, only bigger. In Lake's case, she was running here in AZ about the AZ border. Wouldn't it be sweet revenge if by cheating to prevent her action on the AZ border they only enabled Lake to do exactly what she promised across the entire border?
Enlist the 'losers' who didn't really lose, charge them to do exactly what they had local support for on a larger national scale, and run as a team.
I want DeSantis, but not yet. I trust him to rebuild a productive smaller government later, but at the moment all I want is a bouncer who will smash the machine.
You have got to ask yourself why the media is propping up De Santis and he has not received the level of attacks that Trump has. It is because he is not a threat to the powers that be.
Trump and DeSantis won't run on the same ticket. They each want to be lead, and neither are going to choose to take a back seat. If Trump runs he likely gets the nomination. He still has an immense following and is wildly popular with the base. The issue is going to be though that he likely is will be arrested or have pending investigations around him. My guess is that DeSantis is able to carry the base better in that circumstance and get the vote of people who didn't like the mean tweets from Trump.
The Right has seemingly become convinced that Tulsi is the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Like she's a new toy they just took out of the package and can't wait to play with. Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential campaign website is easy to find in the Internet Wayback machine. Read the below list of her stated positions on issues from her own website before anointing her the next Rush Limbaugh.
- "has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity clips" (Yes, she said "clips", LOL.)
- “requiring comprehensive pre-purchase background checks”
- “closing the gun-show loophole"
- FOR universal basic income
- FOR Medicare-for-all
- “We must ensure universal healthcare and empower the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies”
- "establish a law to set a goal of reaching 100% renewable energy by 2045"
- "Divestment from fossil fuels is the way of the future"
- "We should also extend the wind production tax credit and solar investment tax credit"
- "By the one simple act of ending oil speculation... the Justice Department should immediately begin the crackdown on oil speculators" (She's talking about criminalizing futures trading).
- "Tulsi is pushing to help end subsidies for the nuclear energy industry"
- "Tulsi opposes continued reliance on nuclear energy in the U.S. and is a vocal proponent of development of safe, environmentally-friendly forms of energy."
- "Wall Street greed fuels high gas prices"
There is a case to be made that there is no sense in beating these libs into submission if you don't embrace them with open arms when they finally do submit. I think that's fair. But let's not give her the Republican presidential nomination just yet.
For some reason, I actually like Tulsi. I like her anti-war positions, but that doesn't make her "good". It just makes her the least bad on the most important issue.
Trump is now controlled opposition. They threaten him and his family with endless prosecution/persecution. His only escape is to undermine and DESTROY any credible candidate the Republicans might produce. Despite what he may have been, or tried to be, he is now a spoiler. Divide and conquer apparently works well.
DeSantis/Gabbard or DeSantis/Paul...
First, DeSantis is well liked and is essentially Trump without the antics (not 100% but enough to get Trumpers out to vote RED).
Gabbard checks the boxes; female, minority, military and she is moderate or by todays standards ALT RIGHT, totally kidding the last one there.
Paul is a true Libertarian and I think if people were educated in civics enough they'd realize 75% of americans are aligned with libertarianism.
Trump/Paul would be a strong ticket. DeSantis needs to term out as governor in FL, we need him too much for him to try his shot at the White House. He also needs to tune up his campaigning, which has a lot of Jeb Bush energy behind it (if you've seen the emails you'd know what I'm talking about).
Gabbard is a non-starter with her anti-2A stance (among many others). She's more toxic than Pence, which is saying a lot.
I like the idea of Trump / Paul. The revolution started with Ron back in 2008 and 2012. I was part of a local group that spoke for Ron Paul at the Iowa caucuses and the energy and intensity was there. The great thing about it was we were all young, I sensed a change in the mindset of Republicans. That's how things start, and they take time to bear fruit. Since Trump already has the momentum lets keep him there with Paul. Then in 2028 we can start talking about Rand Paul, DeSantis, or even Kari Lake. The freedom movement needs to start looking away from entrenched republicans like Rubio, Cruz, and Pence. Last name that needs to be considered is Thomas Massie!! But I can only hope.