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hepps's avatar

Just to be a contrarian.

Not that big of a deal. Russian and Chinese weapons systems in the hands of Iranians don't prove anything to anyone. Using Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) has been going on for 40 years. By the time you get any weapons system through MILSPEC vetting it's already obsolete. Especially with Moore's law. It's increasingly systems on platforms that matter, not the platforms. Given that Iran hasn't hit one of our carriers with a hypersonic missile, I wonder if this isn't all just performative theater.

We lost Vietnam. We lost Afghanistan. The world got over it. Almost nobody likes Iran, none of their neighbors, none of the rest of us. Most of their neighbors just want to be left alone to make money selling oil. There is no coalition forming to help them.

Given the amount of civilian casualties from last month's demonstrations (10's of thousands), I'd guess someone will make a play for a new government. Maybe the son of the former Shaw? Don't expect a democracy, they only work when they're a good cultural fit, and I'm not optimistic in Iran. It looks like the Kurds will, at a minimum, try to carve out a chunk of land for themselves.

I doubt we'll wield oil as a weapon as it would only drive the Chinese into the arms of the Russians.

I appreciate everyone's concerns but think our growing national debt is our biggest issue, not this kerfuffle in the Middle East. We're never going to put boots on the ground, which is the only way this goes south.

And if memory serves me correctly, for the past month almost every tanker in the world has been sitting at anchor filled with oil.

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There is a considerable amount of counter-evidence that undermines this guy's assertion that the war has been a smashing success for the US and Israel. First, he's absolutely correct that Iran's air defenses have not performed well, and that the US and Israel have air dominance. But, this is hardly a surprise. I don't think there was any suggestion anywhere that this would not be the case.

Second, it appears clear that the US and Israel pinned much hope (not exclusive reliance, certainly) on the idea that a decapitation of Iran's leadership would result in a quick surrender, or chaos, or protests followed by a splintering into multiple factions. That hasn't happened. While I personally think the targeting of Iran's leadership while negotiations were underway was both cowardly and sets a terrible precedent, there's little doubt it was successful. Yet, the hoped-for consequences did not ensue. Indeed, just the opposite happened: This "sneak" attack appears to have galvanized the vast majority of people in Iran behind the regime, as we see in massive nightly demonstrations in favor of the regime.

Third, it is clear the US and its allies overestimated their abilities to defeat Iran's ballistic capabilities and/or underestimated Iran's missile/drone technologies. Simply put, ally interceptors have been ineffective; they are running low; and Iran has successfully targeted much of the radar necessary to successfully operate these batteries. Don't take my word for it. Run a few AI searches. Ask if there is satellite imagery supporting the assertion that one or more allied THAAD batters were damaged or destroyed by Iran. There's evidence that, potentially, all four (out of eight or nine in the world) have been impacted. If you're paying attention, you've seen reporting that South Korea has been asked to donate its THAAD battery. Certainly, THAADs aren't the only interceptors. But, if true, the defensive umbrella in the region has been ineffective and/or seriously compromised.

I claim no real expertise, but I can pay attention and do a little research just like anyone else. And, I've been around long enough to know that you have to disregard anything you read in the MSM, and 100% of what's coming out of our government. But, even if you want to disregard what some anonymous commenter says, give a listen to someone who is pretty close to an expert on these things: Daryl Cooper. https://www.youtube.com/live/qSjSFXPtfzM?si=0Ts08ltcl7D-WnkD

That leaves the ultimate question: How much does Iran have left? Its clear the US and Israel have neither been able to knock out all of Iran's missile launchers, nor eliminate the drone threat. It seems pretty unlikely they'll be able to do so any time soon. But, how much does Iran have left? That's the real question. Iran is never going to defeat the US/Israel in a conventional fight, or eliminate air dominance. They don't have to. They just need to be able to continue to reach out and touch the US and its allies. I suspect that will keep the Strait of Hormuz closed to everyone Iran does not explicitly want sailing through there (everyone except China), and that's a problem as long as it lasts.

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