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Rick's avatar

Honestly, Ockham’s razor aside, anyone who ever gave any credibility to the idea that a mutant coronavirus sprang spontaneously 1 mile from a lab that specializes in making mutant coronaviruses probably took the short bus to school.

RU's avatar

A lab that specializes in that specific type of coronavirus and even has a researcher working there known internationally as the "bat lady." The idea it was naturally occurring was maybe the most ridiculous idea people bought into. Right there with masks, lockdowns, and "social distancing." All absurd.

MoodyP's avatar

The lab leak versus no lab leak, or the purposeful versus accidental offer binary choices, to what should not be a binary question.

The correct questions are not being asked.

The first question is; was there really a pandemic? Or was it a ‘pandemic’ caused by data manipulation and a fraudulent test?

Remember how there was no influenza? Or no cases of RSV? Or how the massive spike in ‘deaths’ in NYC and Lombardo Italy cannot be explained with actual data. Like bodies, burials, funerals, ambulance runs, etc.

People don’t ask the right questions.

I don’t have the answers. But confining the question to lab leak or not, offers up a binary choice limited hangout, which gets the real perps off the hook.

Which is exactly what they want.

RU's avatar

DEI, ESG, the trans agenda, "covid." I wonder if we'll ever get the real story of what these were about. None feel like naturally occurring things. All of them have the same military psy-ops feel to them. But, pretty hard to put the pieces together when our government keeps so many secrets.

Thomas Brey's avatar

Pandemic or not is a different issue and one that has been decided already. Without the mass PCR-testing - and the "creative" way it was applied we wouldn't even know that - presumably - Corona outcompeted Influenza during said season.

Atlandea's avatar

One question that should be reframed is - was it a lab leak or was something intentionally released around the world at the same time? Like a lab made viral clone.

As JJ Couey would say- RNA cannot Pandemic.

Steve S's avatar

Never knew what the hell a Pangolin was anyway, and still don't.

WesternSky's avatar

People who said it came from a lab in 2020, 2021, 2022, etc... - were completely trashed, ridiculed, called names. Trump I believe said it came from a lab in 2020, and he was of course mocked, ridiculed, vilified for it. There has to be some way to make the mainstream media accountable for what they did to everyone??? Another massive credibility loss for MSM, those "trusted" gov't institutions, etc...

RU's avatar

MSM and the left lost all credibility for me for the foreseeable future.

Trump said not to wear masks and tried to reopen more quickly than the Faucistas wanted to. He was ridiculed for those ideas: "he wants to kill people." He also advocated for alternative treatments for covid and was REALLY ridiculed for that, as in: "he said to inject bleach." (Side note: the "vaccines" were on the market via emergency use authorization and therefore could only legally be on the market if there were no other existing effective treatments...so whether he knew it or not, Trump was in effect arguing to remove the "vaccines" from the market.)

Trump now gets slammed for having played the role of marketer for the "vaccine" development. Which I sort of get. But, I also tend to agree with Trump that if people WANT to take such a thing and it's available, then they should be able to take it.

A lot of people are memory-holing how much fear and panic the left and their allies in media had created, how viciously they attacked and squashed dissenting voices, and how much demand there was for a vaccine, even among most on the right. Many were clamoring then for the thing they now claim to hate.

erik bjorseth's avatar

Chris - first congrats on your Eagles last night.

It is sad that it took our government 5 years to finally tell the truth. Now that we have the truth - why do we not send China a bill for $10 Trillion? IF they do not pay, we just void all the US Treasuries they own.

Dean Whiting's avatar

I’ve thought about this and the best conclusion I can come up with is that a single country is not responsible. They know who did it but they can’t prove that without revealing their own complicity. If it was a single country, the stakes are too high to not pile on and scapegoat them for everything real or imagined.

Tony Gaggiotti's avatar

In 10 years or so (if we're still around) we'll be told "oh well, of COURSE SarsCoV-2 came from the Wuhan Institute of VIrology! What fool could have believed otherwise?" Because that's how gaslighting works, you see...

Thomas Brey's avatar

I favour the lab-origin of this virus since I read the first papers on its gene sequence (I am a biological scientist with some knowledge of molecular biologics). The open questions, in my opinion, are (i) was it indeed the Wuhan Virology lab or maybe the "Wuhan-Essen Joint International Laboratory of Infection and Immunity" at the Tongji Medical College; and (ii) when did the leak happen, because there is evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was present in Italy since September 2019.

Leskunque Lepew's avatar

And China manipulated or erased all the evidence. How nice of them.

Aja's avatar

If you have to pardon " The Science" you know it's all bullshit.

The Radical Individualist's avatar

Even Hitler told the truth, sometimes. But would anyone today support Hitler, or waste their time sorting through his lies and totalitarianism to find whatever little tidbits of truth he managed to say?

That is why I fully condemn the MSM and anyone who had anything to do with the Biden administration. Veracity means nothing to do them. They will tell the truth only when it is to their advantage to do so. I have neither the time nor the inclination to sort through steaming piles of bullshit, looking for little tidbits of truth.

RU's avatar

Agree, though I'd point out it wasn't just the Biden administration. It is all of the Democrat party (minus a handful) and most of the Republican party (the anti-Trump, anti-US types) who are in on the lies. This entire Establishment entity is never to be trusted. They are the modern-day USSR: covering their systemic failures with lies.

Derek's avatar

Now to pursue the next level of fringe: lookup John Cullen's work on this. There is a COVID, but it's mild and was released as a cover story to paper over the bird flu pandemic happening in birds (food supply) that has now successfully jumped to humans.

It's a thread worth following and it would really be something if it got exposed under Trump 2.0 (though I doubt it will, just like waiting on JFK or 9/11 Truth).

Moody Millennial's avatar

I know people who have chickens. The chickens are healthy and lay every day. I have been around and raised chickens.

Bird flu is a psyop to limit the food supply, particularly cheap protein like eggs.

PCR is not a viable test (I'm not going into this rant again after COVID-19); people either looked into it or did not.

Leskunque Lepew's avatar

So interesting how only domesticated birds are affected.

Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Next step is connecting the dots to the WEF/Gates crime syndicate and how China is involved. IMHO...it's probably obvious.

Bill Lacey's avatar

The Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect states that a reader knowledgeable in a particular subject easily notes the extreme inaccuracies in a newspaper article on that subject, but will then turn the page and accept at face value an article on a topic of which he knows very little. The amnesia being that he instantly forgets how wrong the newspaper has proven to be.

I deal with the G-M effect by not believing anything that appears in the media. They are an industry in decline and therefore are cutting corners to survive, such as using inexperienced interns or freelancers being paid by the word and by cut-and-pasting from press releases and wire services The information is either banal, self-evident or simply incorrect.

Further, every media outlet is fostering a political agenda and distorting the truth is the goal. They can't seem to confine their politics to the opinion pages. They seem to be driven to shape a certain narrative by distorting the truth.

Sorry to be walking over very old ground, but it's infuriating when their narrative explodes and without skipping a beat, these organizations finally are forced to tell the truth and they do it as if it's a newsflash to the rest of us. Instead of, as Chris said - No shit!

Allan Richard Wasem's avatar

EVERYTHING REGARDING ANYTHING the fedgov stated during the Comrade Obongo/Charlie McBiden puppet show was a LIE - and almost always a lie whose purpose was to assist in the destruction of America. Continue to be very careful with any current "information" from Lamestream Media Presstitutes - most of them are still lying through their teeth.

Burnt taco's avatar

The CIA knew this from the start - they only allow its verification now because it took them this long to hide the evidence that they themselves and the DoD funded Fauci and his minions to surreptitiously develop bioweapons in Wuhan and Ukraine among other places. They can now claim plausible deniability.

As George Washington once claimed:

He who smelt it, dealt it.

Andy Fately's avatar

As has been said numerous times recently, the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality is measured in months, although sometimes that seems like days. the fact that the CIA is just getting around to this is more a commentary on the lack of competence in the organization.